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Old 10-30-2008, 10:09 PM
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It's too late now, we've already show how passive we've become. .
I really don't think "we've already shown how passive we've become."

I mean, let's imagine what the Brits would have done if planes would have flown into London. Yeah, so they're not The French, but they still wouldn't have done shit.

What would the Russians or the Chinese have done?


OOOOooo........


Well, My guess is that the Russians would have used it as an excuse to invade Kazakistan, or some similarly defenseless Ex-Soviet state that their decrept military would have a chance of beating.

The Chinese? I doubt planes would have ever made it to Bejing. The Chinese would have cought 19 Arab Terrorists a LONG TIME before they boarded the planes.
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You're right. We have show more balls than any other country. I just think if we're going to commit troops, equipment and billions of dollars we should be swift, decisive and deadly in our attack. Rebuilding and winning hearts and minds not only makes us look weak, it takes too damned long. I hope that I'm missing the bigger picture and rebuilding will pay off, but I'm not convinced that the average Mulim is sophisti***ed enough to realize that we're trying to help.
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The Chinese? I doubt planes would have ever made it to Bejing. The Chinese would have cought 19 Arab Terrorists a LONG TIME before they boarded the planes.
Were I a konspiracy kook, I'd suggest the Chinese might actually do something like this themselves so they could turn the Uighirs into road pizza. They'd go into Uighirstan or whatever its called on Monday and by Thursday there'd be about 80 million ethnic Han Chinese setting up dim sum shops there.

And as to the Uighirs themselves? The lucky ones would be on their way to Pakistan or possibly Afghanistan. The unlucky, well...
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You're right. We have show more balls than any other country. I just think if we're going to commit troops, equipment and billions of dollars we should be swift, decisive and deadly in our attack. Rebuilding and winning hearts and minds not only makes us look weak, it takes too damned long. I hope that I'm missing the bigger picture and rebuilding will pay off, but I'm not convinced that the average Mulim is sophisti***ed enough to realize that we're trying to help.
Heh....yeah I know where you're comming from....but think of it this way:

How would the USA react if we didn't have Billion$$, troops, equipment, and time?

Not a difficult question to answer, since we've been there before: We did not invade the Japanese Home Islands.


The Muslim world might not understand that we're trying to help, but I think they DO understand that testing our patience isn't a Good Idea
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I don't give a shit what the EU thinks of the US. There are well over a billion Muslims, so taking out one country wouldn't be genocide. If we had leveled a Muslim country right after 9/11, other countries would have whined, but none would have done anything. It's too late now, we've already show how passive we've become. BTW - nearly two thirds of Iraq has been handed over to the Iraqi's. It sure sounds like we're winning.
"taking out one country wouldn't be genocide".

You're shitting me, right?


Ever thought of the millions of innocent people you'd kill?

Or did that one slip your mind?

In fact please tell me you are anti-abortion so I can put you in with angel.

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I really don't think "we've already shown how passive we've become."

I mean, let's imagine what the Brits would have done if planes would have flown into London. Yeah, so they're not The French, but they still wouldn't have done shit.

What would the Russians or the Chinese have done?


OOOOooo........


Well, My guess is that the Russians would have used it as an excuse to invade Kazakistan, or some similarly defenseless Ex-Soviet state that their decrept military would have a chance of beating.

The Chinese? I doubt planes would have ever made it to Bejing. The Chinese would have cought 19 Arab Terrorists a LONG TIME before they boarded the planes.
Whereas you used it as an excuse to invade Afghanistan, and some similarly defenseless ex-puppet state.

Lets just recap over what you have done post 9/11, you invaded Afghanistan and 7 years later you are still fighting the taliban who have now reclaimed parts of the country.

You then invaded Iraq for alleged WOMD (remember those?), didn't find any, settled for regime change, and are now stuck in the hell-hole you helped create years after the war was declared 'won'.

But then plenty of contracts are being made so I guess some people have got rich somewhere.

I'm not commenting on what other countries might have done - but lets stop the day-dreaming yank.

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You're right. We have show more balls than any other country. I just think if we're going to commit troops, equipment and billions of dollars we should be swift, decisive and deadly in our attack. Rebuilding and winning hearts and minds not only makes us look weak, it takes too damned long. I hope that I'm missing the bigger picture and rebuilding will pay off, but I'm not convinced that the average Mulim is sophisti***ed enough to realize that we're trying to help.
Trying to help? Have you sat down, looked at the US actions in the region over the past 50 years (and more) and seriously come to that conclusion - that you are just trying to help?

At the very, very least you are trying to protect yourselves by imposing your kind of rule.

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The Muslim world might not understand that we're trying to help, but I think they DO understand that testing our patience isn't a Good Idea
Fucking trying to help when you give all the rebuilding and oil contracts to your own homeboys. And fuck off with capitalising Every Fucking Sentence.
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Fucking trying to help when you give all the rebuilding and oil contracts to your own homeboys. And fuck off with capitalising Every Fucking Sentence.
It is sad, but no surprise, to see this mindset in The Failed Empire.
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"taking out one country wouldn't be genocide".

You're shitting me, right?


Ever thought of the millions of innocent people you'd kill?

Or did that one slip your mind?

In fact please tell me you are anti-abortion so I can put you in with angel.
Nothing slipped my mind. My country and it's way of life is more important than some backwards, unedu***ed, shithole Muslim country. Turning one of them into a sheet of glass would serve as notice to not fuck with us again. The US is the most powerful nation on earth and we don't HAVE to take any shit from anybody. That includes a bunch of pussy brits. BTW - I'm Pro choice.

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Trying to help? Have you sat down, looked at the US actions in the region over the past 50 years (and more) and seriously come to that conclusion - that you are just trying to help?

At the very, very least you are trying to protect yourselves by imposing your kind of rule.
We are trying to protect our way of life and yes, oil is a big part of that. Iraq is much better off than it was 6 years ago.
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Wow. What a comeback. You win.

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Nothing slipped my mind. My country and it's way of life is more important than some backwards, unedu***ed, shithole Muslim country. Turning one of them into a sheet of glass would serve as notice to not fuck with us again. The US is the most powerful nation on earth and we don't HAVE to take any shit from anybody. That includes a bunch of pussy brits. BTW - I'm Pro choice.
You don't HAVE to commit genocide.

You'd get similarily fucked either way, doing things like that just encourages people to attack you.

If you killed my family - I'd come after you. I'm sure you'd do the same to me if I did something like that. Neither one of us, nor most people I think, would take the killing of innocents (especially family) to mean "They are not to be messed with". By commiting atrocities on the scale you are imagining you would just be repli***ing this type of vengeance on a huge scale.

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We are trying to protect our way of life and yes, oil is a big part of that. Iraq is much better off than it was 6 years ago.
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You don't have to fly airplanes into buildings either.

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You'd get similarily fucked either way, doing things like that just encourages people to attack you.
Bring it and see who wins.
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