hey... I have ridden on both sides of the fence... and frankly to each his own... if you love someone and they happen to be of the same sex... then that is your personal business... just as same sex couples are rude if they make out in public... same sex couples just need to keep it in the house... and behave like a normal and sane person.

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You contradicted youself. If its a mental illness, then its not a choice. I mean, you cant CHOOSE to not be bipolar can you? You cant CHOOSE to not have personality disorder can you?

And if its a behavior and a choice, and something that can be changed, then lets see you love someone of the same sex. I dont mean just have sex, I mean fall in love, make love, and enjoy it.

Im not a Democrat, but Jesus Fucking Christ, I expect better than this from you Republicans!!

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Interesting... dick. Unfortunately, you are dead wrong. "Marriage" both current and "traditionally" has been a political and secular "thing". And before you start arguing... there is a specific line in the marriage vows spoken by the authority figure. "...by the powers vested in me by the state/commonwealth of ______________". You must apply for a license, issued by the government. Therefore, marriage IS A CIVIL thing.

That being said. Should the government pass legislation making a "civil union" the legally defined alternate. And after it declares ALL marriages null and void for the purposes of legal protections, tax basis, rights, priviledges and definitely the joint responsibilities; then you can say "marriage" would be a theocratic event.

A civil union would be presided over by a CIVIL authority... secular, non-theocratic. A marriage would be presided over by a theocratic authority... priest, shaman, witch doctor. Under no circumstances could one authority be in a position to perform both ceremonies. The civil union would mean nothing to the cult and the marriage would mean nothing by law.

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. . . Coretta Scott King

And where do you draw this "psychological statement" from? The APA, AMA, etc, have all re-evaluated the DSM. Homosexuality is not a mental illness. Some people may have emotional issues as a result of the "love and respect" shown by some people... can you say Westboro Baptist Church Home Page?

"self-destructive behavior".... a person can just as easily be "self destructive" because she has an addiction to heterosexual acts. A person can be plagued with "self-destructive behavior" because they eat too much, or drink to much, or misuse drugs.


"Behavior".... is your sexual orientation a "behavior". Have you ever been in a same sex relationship? If not... why?

I wonder if you'll answer the questions!

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. . . Coretta Scott King

LOL..... "those of us who have fought"? Ever hear of Coretta Scott King? Look at what she had to say about "those of us who have fought"! (it happens to be my present sig line.)

Do a search for Bayard Rustin... he was the man who taught MLK the principles of non-violent protest. Learned a lot about them from Ghandi... Convinced MLK not to carry concealed weapons. Was fired from his position when King was THREATENED by other black civil rights leaders. They didn't want a "faggot" involved in their events and told King they'd withdraw their support if he didn't get rid of the big "queer". When it came time for the March on Washington, King knew the only person capable of putting all the different pieces of the protest march together was Rustin. He forced the issue and the rest is history.

What is religious belief other than a "behavior"? Its not intrinsic... you aren't BORN a baptist, although some believe you can have a do-over to get it right.
As I recall there is legal protections for religious freedom... a BEHAVIOR!

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. . . Coretta Scott King

There is no contradiction. It is a choice, or a series of choices, that have lead to this mental illness. People seem to want to ignore the point that behavior is a mindset. Unfortunately some people want to justify a mindset instead of correcting destructive mindsets.

And it would be ludicrous to purposely engage in self-destructive behavior.

All things are good if kept in moderation, one would assume. I mean, even hetrosexual sex, if done in excess, can be a self-destructive behavior. I dont see, however, how Jill and Jane living their lives, and happening to be homosexual is self-destructive. Some people dont let sex rule their lives. I am a married man, and yes, I have sex with my wife, but I dont let my sexual relationship with her rule over every aspect of my life. If someone does that, be they straight, or be they gay, then THAT is destructive.

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Yes, the DSM was changed under pressure from homosexual pressure groups, not based on any kind of new evidence.

And of course it's often ridiculous trying to reason with homosexual activists when they throw around intellectually dishonest red herrings such as the Phelps hate group (I wouldn't call them a church).

And I'd be surprised if I ever saw true "love and respect" from intellectually dishonest homosexual activists.

And I never claimed otherwise. I even mentioned self-destructive behavior of heterosexuals. Do try and keep up.


No, of course not. Why not? Because it's disgusting and destructive. No sane person would engage in something destructive.

And even though I identify myself as heterosexual, there are things I do not do because I willingly refuse to compli***e my life with risky heterosexual behavior. That is by choice. There is always a choice.

And there are people who have, by choice, chosen to leave the homosexual lifestyle. Oh, and the so-called tolerant left hate them, and the intolerant left seek to restrict information from those who wish to find a way out of the lifestyle.

Yes, I'm familiar with her. Why would I give a rip about what she opines? I find she falls well short in her alleged fight for civil rights. A true civil rights advo***es fights for all regardless of race and gender.

A true civil rights advo***e doesn't support government-sponsered racism and preferential treatment (under the guise of "affirmative action"). A true civil rights advo***e fights for the rights of the preborn.

Not only that, with this push for so-called gay marriage, our rights of speech, association, religion, and even thought and conscience are under attack. Quoting scripture will eventually be deemed "hate speech" under your totalitarian ways.

This is why your side I like to call The Gaystapo.


Maybe if he had a carry concealed weapon, he might still be around today. Just sayin'.

Agreed.

And I'd be perfectly content for people just living their lives. I do not want to know what is going on in somebody's bedroom.

But I'm looking at the larger picture here. Ask yourself, with all the complaints about the poor underpaid government school teachers having to buy out of their own pocketbooks pencils and papers and other materials for their students, their union, the California Teachers Association (CTA), has a cool million dollars (on top of the quarter million given prior to an umbrella homosexual activism group) to give to support homosexual marriage and defeat California's Proposition 8?

The teachers unions are pushing hard to indoctrinate all the way into kindergarten all sorts of hard-left idealism (homosexual marriage, man-made global warming, etc.), so that they're spewing left-wing propaganda and mindlessly supporting globalism, wealth redistribution, gun control, etc. It's no accident. A collectivist organization like a teachers union needs to wrestle control away from the parents, and they'll do it through attacking the values of the parents. It's Communism 101. "Give us the child for 8 years and it will be a Bolshevik forever." Heck, the teachers union, with the help of Rob "Meathead" Reiner, and with a government-funded California First Five Commission, pushed for "free" universal preschool to give them another year of government-funded indoctrination. Luckily the voters shot it down 60-40%.

So the push on this issue is being conducted through the schools, the media, judicial activists legislating from the bench. This is what we're resisting. Not because "my marriage" (if I was married) is at risk. There is a culture war going on and our impressionable children are its pawns, and our freedoms are its targets.

Oh, so youre not married! Why not?

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