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Old 06-11-2008, 03:25 PM
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Earlier in 2007, the world's top oil investment banker and former Bush and Cheney energy advisor, Matthew Simmons, told a stunned Bloomberg audience that oil could reach $300 a barrel.
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I note that none of the lo***ions you have listed as being rich sources of domestic oil include Arizona. I think you should take a trip over to Galveston and lay out on the Beach with all the Tarballs before you advo***e drilling offshore CA or FL. Or, maybe we should build a new 400,000 bbl/d refinery near your home in Phonix?
If there were oil out here in the desert, with today's technology I would support drilling of it. The technology has changed so much that it is now clean and safe.



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As far as N. Dakota, Green River (WY, CO, UT) area shale deposites, and Alaska's North Slope are concerned: They ARE being and have been developed. You have heard of the Alaskan Oil Pipeline, right?
ANWR is off limits. There is an enormous amount in ND and others that still exist that are untapped. Government should take off the restrictions.

38 Billion unaccessable

1 Trillion currently illegal to develop





[quote Secret Samahdi]Hell yeah it does!!!!!!!

So there IS a magic wand...he just chooses not to wave it? [/quote]

Not precisely sure what you are getting at but if you are suggesting eliminating the gas tax, I've heard both positive and negatives to that idea.




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I think you have a point, I think with the current situation being as dire as it is, something needs to be done. If we need to drill into our own supply, so be it. BUT!! At the same time more research and development needs to be done towards alternate fuel sources. Fast. Why can't we pull a Doc Brown and find a way to convert our trash into fuel?? That would be fabulous.

I do think that if we are to tap into our own resources ( and honestly, why shouldn't we rather than pay through the nose for oil from countries that hate us) we need to do it in the most environmentall conscious way possible.

Absolute Agreement. Nobody here is proposing destroying or causing great harm to the environment. This can be done in a safe and responsible manner.
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Oh jeez. Peak oil AGAIN???? This thing keeps rearing it's ugly head, and we're still no closer to 'Peak' then we were when this abortion of an idea was born.

Supply could be addressed if our very own govt would get the hell out of the way, and let our oil concerns do what they do...produce oil. If/when we ever run out of liquid petroleum, the U.S. is sitting on about the largest reserves of shale 'oil' in the world. Enough to last us literally for hundreds of years. If/when we manage to consume all of that, we have enough coal to last us for hundreds of years. (yes, converting coal to liquid is a pricey game, but the Germans did it in both world wars. It can and will be done if the need is great enough).
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If there were oil out here in the desert, with today's technology I would support drilling of it. The technology has changed so much that it is now clean and safe.





ANWR is off limits. There is an enormous amount in ND and others that still exist that are untapped. Government should take off the restrictions.

38 Billion unaccessable

1 Trillion currently illegal to develop

Not precisely sure what you are getting at but if you are suggesting eliminating the gas tax, I've heard both positive and negatives to that idea.

Absolute Agreement. Nobody here is proposing destroying or causing great harm to the environment. This can be done in a safe and responsible manner.
Well, you've certainly done a good job of dropping the Rush Limbaugh Parrot Routine, but you've failed to answer the simple question: Why would developing domestic bbls outside the legal limits right now be a sound economic idea?
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Oh jeez. Peak oil AGAIN???? This thing keeps rearing it's ugly head, and we're still no closer to 'Peak' then we were when this abortion of an idea was born.

Supply could be addressed if our very own govt would get the hell out of the way, and let our oil concerns do what they do...produce oil. If/when we ever run out of liquid petroleum, the U.S. is sitting on about the largest reserves of shale 'oil' in the world. Enough to last us literally for hundreds of years. If/when we manage to consume all of that, we have enough coal to last us for hundreds of years. (yes, converting coal to liquid is a pricey game, but the Germans did it in both world wars. It can and will be done if the need is great enough).
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So you believe that Fossil Fuel Powered World will go on for a few hundred years, then "POOF" another fuel source will miraculously appear?

Sorry to burst your bubble, but converting to another energy source isn't gonna be easy, and putting off the inevitable will not make it easier.
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A. The price of oil will peak shortly before you see reasonably priced cars that do not burn fossil fuels.
That could be a long ways off. Who knows what the peak will be?

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B. Who cares about what OPEC does? They know if they increase their prices, they will only help create (see "A") above.
All they have to do is produce less to increase the price.

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C. Exactly. Canada is practically part of the USA, and is successfully developing their oil (sand) resources: Why SHOULD we?
Are you saying that Canada doesn't sell to the highest bidder?

In the short run, I see no relief.
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So you believe that Fossil Fuel Powered World will go on for a few hundred years, then "POOF" another fuel source will miraculously appear?
I don't recall suggesting any such thing. The only reason people are beating the oil drum, (nyuk nyuk), is because of GW concerns, not because we're on the verge of running out. We're not, we won't have to face that for a very long time.

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Sorry to burst your bubble, but converting to another energy source isn't gonna be easy, and putting off the inevitable will not make it easier.
Well shit, since we're working this angle, I suggest we stop mining all other mineral resources immediately. They're all finite, we'll eventually 'run out', so we might as well (ignore that we have tens of thousands of years of untapped mineral resources directly beneath our feet), and face the inevitable now.

Since we do have hundreds of years worth of fossil fuel available too us, it kind of makes moot the idea that we have to have something else right NOW, or we're all doomed.
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Well, you've certainly done a good job of dropping the Rush Limbaugh Parrot Routine, but you've failed to answer the simple question: Why would developing domestic bbls outside the legal limits right now be a sound economic idea?
What 'legal limits' are you talking about?
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Those limits imposed by legislation.
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I don't recall suggesting any such thing. The only reason people are beating the oil drum, (nyuk nyuk), is because of GW concerns, not because we're on the verge of running out. We're not, we won't have to face that for a very long time.



Well shit, since we're working this angle, I suggest we stop mining all other mineral resources immediately. They're all finite, we'll eventually 'run out', so we might as well (ignore that we have tens of thousands of years of untapped mineral resources directly beneath our feet), and face the inevitable now.

Since we do have hundreds of years worth of fossil fuel available too us, it kind of makes moot the idea that we have to have something else right NOW, or we're all doomed.
Oh, now its "TENS of Thousands of YEARS OF UNTAPPED MINERAL RESOURCES DIRECTLY BENEATH OUR FEET???"

OK, you wanna develop domestic shale oil (despite the abundant resources in Canada that are already being developed).

Why?
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