Just what we need more rest stops for the gangs to tag the walls of the restrooms so that the cities and counties can clean and paint them on a weekly basis and then close them to let the paint dry which is just about the time I'll pull in to the stop to use them.

Hopefully they'll use water based paint so the oil co's won't profit from that too.

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Experts?

You mean guys that are not the CEO of ExxonMobil?

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Yes, Samson...dems. Just yesterday they blocked a proposal to allow drilling 50 miles from our coasts...it's what they do. Clinton vetoed legislation allowing the exploration of 2000 acres in ANWR. It was Clinton that put the entire west coast continental shelf 'off limits'. It's democrats in congress that each and every year attach a rider to the budget making it illegal to negotiate shale oil leases on federal lands. If I'm wrong about the democrats, feel free to school me. Go ahead and show me where I'm wrong.

Let's be honest here. ONE company announced plans for a major expansion of an existing refinery.....in 2005. Have they broken ground yet? This announcement was from over a year ago. How many lawsuits have been filed to stop this to date? Do you have any updates on this that are maybe....recent? Like from this year?

I'd like to add that improvements in our technological expertise makes expansions of existing facilities a wise business decision. We have less than half the refineries than we did in 1980.....while capacity in the surviving refineries have increased eight fold. But it's been 30+ years since a new refinery has been built in this country, and changes in technology make building vs expanding attractive....and there are appli***ions to build new refineries, one such filed recently in Montana, ( and like your Marathon example, is probably tied up in court, where it will remain for years).

First, are you seriously contending that dems do not, and are not blocking domestic expansion in domestic petroleum production? How have I mischaracterized democrats? Care to provide some examples of dems that have bucked the party line, and forced passage of bills allowing the expansion of domestic oil production?

Second, I don't know why you feel it's important to drag your favorite bogey man, (Limbaugh), into every political conversation...but what the hell does he have to do with anything?

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Hmmm......Dems have not control both the Congress AND the Presidency since 1980....Republicans, however.........but I digress... This does however support the proposition that Total Refinery Capacity has, and IS increasing (just today I visited a brand new, 6,000 bbl/d refinery), INDEPENDENTLY of the Dem party policy you seem so eager to dogmatically argue is the cause of high gasoline prices.


Yes. Are you seriously proposing that Our Congress would block domestic expansion of domestic petroleum if their constituants had to wait in line for gas?

Because, you sound like him: constantly trying to remain revelant by demonizing "liberal=democrat policy."

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Um....The White House = Republican

Quote:

Shell Joins $7bn US Refinery Expansion" On September 21, 2007, Financial Times cited Booz Allen's Viren Doshi in an article about Royal Dutch Shell and Saudi Aramco's $7 billion investment to expand their Port Arthur, Texas refinery. Doshi said the investment had worrying impli***ions for European refiners, especially if US demand weakens as a result of the rise of bio-fuels and more fuel-efficient cars. “A number of European refining companies rely on exports to the US. Sooner or later demand is going to plateau, and the biggest doom and gloom scenarios will be in Europe,” said Doshi

Its ECONOMICS buddy.

As the availability of alternative fuels rises, the financial risks of building/expanding refineries rises.

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i guess i can see that but big oil is invested more than anyone on these alternative sources-why tf dont they push it?

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Um...by not increasing oil refinery capacity, they ARE "pushing it."

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its a plot?

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